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Dec 07 2013 (22:01)   KZJ/Kazipet Junction (3 PFs)
 
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In Separate state of Telangana Bill. It was decided by central cabinet ministry that a survey must be done by indian railways for construction of coach factory in telangana region. Mostly hoping that Kazipet junction may get it.
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But distance wise any new division is required? Keeping aside states and only considering administrative convenience?
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Good news btw :)
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Dec 07 2013 (22:27)
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you dont need to tell anything about the politicians of AP, nobody asked for it..Mind your own business..The worst part is an admin opined great on such regionally targeted comments.
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#FM #forummoniters for your action please.
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dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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A COMPILATION OF RAIL SIGNS AND THEIR MEANINGS:
Compiled by me thanks to years of railfanning experience after reffering to many people and online material, I would quote an example with every sign to aid in understanding to the best extent possible:
The first thing we are concerned about when we are talking about movement of trains is anything which makes the train to de-accelerate, they can be in the following instances.
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PERMANENT SPEED RESTRICTION-A restriction of speed in a particular section (which otherwise is a faster speed permitted one) of a permanent nature, usually placed before steep curves, weak P.Way etc. This is apart from obvious restriction zones like that of loops at a station.
Ex: Permanent speed restriction of 80 KMPH at sirnapalli forest gradient between Uppalvai and sirnapalli stations in SC-NED-MMR line, similar can be found in many sections.
A TEMPORARY SPEED RESTRICTION-A restriction of speed which is imposed temporarily due to varied reasons like P.Way work or other reasons. A typical instance is imposition of speed restrictions before many unmanned LC’s of HYB division of SCR between DHNE-KRNT-KCG-NZB-MUE(Probably to allow better control to LP in case of a confused soul deciding to cross an LC with his road vehicle at the last moment)
Ex: Speed restrictions at Makalidurga ghat between YNK-DMM for up gradation of P.Way.
THE SIGN(for both of the above restrictions): The sign board indicating the speed to be followed would be a Triangular yellow board with speed mentioned in black, usually of reflective material to be visible to LP at night. The train needs to be at the designated speed mentioned on the board by the time it passes the board even though it is typically placed some 100mts before the actual caution abled section. Apart from the board, these cautions would already be mentioned in the Caution order given to the LP before moving the train in a particular section. Again, the crew running a train in a particular section would already e having Road learning without which they are not authorized to pilot a train. So this leaves us with the crew already knowing the restriction, we can travel rest assured as far as risks involved with overspeeding at restricted zones are concerned.
RESCTRICTION TERMINTAION: A restriction in place obviously means it would have to end somewhere, be it permanent or temporary, a large circular yellow board with a black T(again of reflective material) would be placed indicating the termination of restriction. In specific cases of Passenger and goods trains, T/P and T/G boards are placed(T/G usually after T/P as goods rakes tend to be longer) indicating termination of speed restriction of passenger and goods trains.
Railfanning Note: After a restriction is terminated while train is on a curve, one can find the display of flags by Guard and ALP, it’s amazing to see this sight especially in diesel locos accompanied by the chugging/buzzing(For Alcos and EMD’s respectively) and vigorous waving of flags.
I understand many of you must have seen this earlier, if not please try to watch the strict compliance of speed at restrictions and terminations, not to forget the display of flags/Lights.
I hope this has been useful, please keep adding while I add some more too, For a knowledgeful and safe railfanning Experience.
Cheers.

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Oct 23 2012 (23:00)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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KILOMETER MARKINGS BESIDE P.WAY:
It is common to find distance markings beside P.Way(Track) in every section be it a normal track in plains, plateaus, ghats or mountain railways in IR. They essentially mean distance from a junction to another junction(this being a branch line and the other two junctions being Main Lines or this section is laid later) or to a terminus. These are mentioned on slabs beside tracks at particular intervals say 100 mts in diesel sections and on OHE Poles in case of an electric section.
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MTP and ends at 59 odd at UAM in case of Nilgiri Mountain Railway, starts at 0 at MMR and ends at 618 odd at Secunderabad Jn.
Railfanning Note: For railfans to calculate the current speed of the train, keep observing the distance markers for a minute and note the distance covered and multiply it by 60 to reach a conclusion on the current speed of the train.
This is only possible during day as sighting distance markers is tough at nights unless you carry a IR binocular or something,again this is a old school way handy incase you do not carry a phone which has a GPS in it.

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Oct 23 2012 (23:07)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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I have compiled this with highest accuracy possible however admins/members are free to edit/suggest editions if found faulty and add to it..will keep coming..
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Oct 23 2012 (23:23)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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SIGNAL SIGHTING INDICATOR:
This is to assist/draw attention of LP/ALP that a signal is ahead. This type is usually a Black vertical rectangle with a yellow bar on top and bottom, and a O in the middle.This type is for goods and a rectangular yellow board with diagonal black lines for passenger.
Ex: this can be found in almost all sections, the passenger type board can be found between Tiruvarur-MV.
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in common practice this is placed some 1000mts odd before a proceed signal of a station to draw attention of crew of both passenger and goods type rakes.
Railfanning Note: If you come across this board, you can expect a signal soon, in most cases neing the proceed signal before HOME signal of a station.You can therefore get ready to spot trains at that station or get your camera ready :)

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Oct 23 2012 (23:40)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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WHISTLE INDICATORS:
Many of non railfans are usually under an assumption that crew honk for reasons beyond one’s comprehension which is not exactly the case.There are zones and boards to indicate when the crew has to honk enroute with exceptions of course.
W/L board is placed wherever IR deems the crew have to keep others alerted,in this case W/L means Whistle for Level crossing or seethe/Phata in hindi.
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In all sections specially before unmanned LC’s and blind curves. A Unique identifier in Hyderabad MMTS has a board saying cattle crossing under the W/L Board spotted between BharatNagar and Borabanda. SCR has apparently set these up following the derailment of an MMTS rake between these stations right on the second day of the official inauguration of MMTS.
There are other cases where honking is done of course when the crew deems the situation fit for instance. Apart from these there are a few patterns of honking which is used as a communication between Loco Crew to guard/station staff etc which we will look into later.
Railfanning Note: Please note the strict compliance by the Loco cre to W/L boards when travelling, this is done with near 100% accuracy, cant help but wonder how IR can maintain crew apart from many flaws. Maybe we don’t appreciate the merits as we do to the de-merits after all :P

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Oct 24 2012 (08:27)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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right on the second day after inaguration an MMTS train hit cattle crossing tracks between Bharatnagar and Borabanda resulting derailment of 2 coaches..
please see this archive.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug11/n7.asp
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Oct 24 2012 (09:02)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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A few other common boards sighted beside P.Way:
GRADIENT INDICATORS:
These are again white slabs usually found beside P.Way with numbers and an arrow in black over it.The direction of arrow indicates a down or uphill gradient ahead.
Ex: 750 with a arrow over it pointing downwards indicates there would be a descent of 1 in 750, lesser the number on the board
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higher the gradient, say 100 with an up arrow indicates a climb of 1 in 100.These boards are found in all parts of IR as there is apparently no section without a gradient.
LIMITS OF JURISDICTION:
We can often find boards at ground level beside P.Way or elevated boards indicating A.DEN/P.WAY/SC-A.DEN/P.Way/LPI etc( the above being placed under sanat nagar bridge in Hyderabad indicating boundary of SC and LPI A.Den). In the above mentioned board A.DEN stands for Asst.Divisional Engineer for Permanent Way.Similarly AEN stands for Asst.Engineer(All departments are placed except for C&W as this is particular to stations with cleaning facilities and not sections).
At ending of divisions boards like
HYB DIVN-NED DIVN
DEN/HYB-DEN/NED
A.DEN/NZB-A.DEN/MUE
AEN/DAB-AEN/MUE
PWI/DAB-PWI/MUE are placed usually, in this example indicating ending of Hyderabad division and commencement of Nanded division, and Asst.Engineer, Divisional Engineer and Permanent way Inspector would be of Nanded division(Mudhked for AEN and ADEN).However I have spotted a board aftert Bibinagar towards GNT long back indicating only Guntur Division details without SC division details.
Ex: Such boards can be found at every division/A.DEN territory or Zonal End. For instance before Dharmavaram Jn where SWR ends and SCR commences, similarly before Gudur Jn where SR ends and SCR commences.
Railfanning Note: Please do observe such boards while travelling next time.
To Be Continued…

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Oct 24 2012 (09:29)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Here are a few pics, i have made these in MS Paint :D
So Please dont mind the clarity, edges, shapes or all of the above,i hope you get the idea though!!
1.Speed restriction
2.Termination for goods
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Termination for Passenger
4. Signal Sighting board.

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Oct 24 2012 (09:42)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks Gopal garu, thought i would use my free time yesterday and today for something productive, I am really glad you found it useful.
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Oct 24 2012 (09:49)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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1. These type of boards indicate there is a halt station ahead which may not have proceed, home and starter signals as it wouldnt be having any loops.
Ex: Raigir between SC and KZJ in SC division or LOGH between YPR-BYPL, please note that stations are not considered halt stations in case of an Automatic Block Territory, they are only called so in Absolute Block, however there may be a few exceptions.
2. The W/L Board i have mentioned about earlier.
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Oct 24 2012 (09:57)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks Nazeer ikka!! Have a safe trip for bakrid!
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Oct 24 2012 (10:00)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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chadivinanduku kruthagnatalu amjad garu!!
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Oct 24 2012 (10:08)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks, these are the important ones and that is it for now for signs. Will post more in the same thread later.Writing operations notes now, will post in a while! Thanks for reading!
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Oct 24 2012 (10:33)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Now getting to SIGNALLING SYSTEMS:
THE BLOCK SYSTEM: Before we get into different kinds of signals we have to understand the meaning of a block section initially. Looking back into time there were neither timetables nor high rail traffic however that is not the case today owing to the increased traffic and reduced slots.
There are various risks involved in train operations however the operations side ones include collisions either head on or from the rear, the former possible in single line sections. It is always safe to operate a single train in
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a section at a time however the entire section can’t be kept free for one train. Therefore a section is divided into many blocks and only one train is allowed in a single block at a given time. Signalling Blocks can be in between sections, yards or any other place where railways deem fit. It is very important for a railfan to understand and appreciate the working of signalling in block sections. Understanding this very thing would solve many queries on train operations..
To be continued..

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Oct 24 2012 (11:00)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Oops one more important SIGN i forgot to mention which is also common at loops, FM written on ground level on a rectangular slab beside the track.
FM stands for a fouling mark, no train can cross this point without being permitted in some form.When a long goods rake is parked in a loop, the guards exercises caution to make sure the total rake has crossed the FM point.
This sign is fixed at a distance required at the minimum to ensure sufficient distance of rake from the next track even though
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the train has vacated the earlier track.
Railfanning Note: Observe the FM mark next time, you can usually find the track(loop) curves to join the mainline after this point.

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Oct 24 2012 (11:42)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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BACK TO SIGNALLING AGAIN:
ABSOLUTE BLOCK: Absolute block section is probably the most widely used block system type in IR, In simple words a train cannot enter a block till the block is totally free of other trains and can only enter after authorization from the station crew. The authorization can be in form of a Semaphore signal, multi color signal or a token. The block section is usually the total length of track from the foremost controlled signal of the preceding station(usually advanced starter) to the rear most controlled signal of the current station(Usually outer Home). The block starts and ends between these two parts, no other train is allowed in this block once interlocked except in a few cases
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which I will talk about later.
Ages back, the spotting of LV(Last Vehicle) board was mandatory to ascertain the presence of total train from the previous block to safeguard the train in few highly rare cases where it may separate. These days however axle counters are used for this purpose to count and compare the axles with that of previous departure station to the present station.
STATION LIMITS: Station limits are from the outer home of a station to the advanced starter in either directions which is called a station limit, a train typically traverses through many station limits and block sections to reach its destination.
To be continued..

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Oct 24 2012 (12:00)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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INTERMEDIATE BLOCK SECTIONS: It is evident that no other train can enter a block when another train is present already, if distance between two stations is very long it may take quite a while for a train to reach the next station keeping the other train waiting. To eliminate such situations intermediate blocks are used dividing a block section into two blocks, this is with the aid of track circuitry. In this case a train waiting at the earlier station can be released right after the earlier one passes the intermediate block thereby optimally utilizing the section.
There were a lot of block instruments used earlier including a telephone with a handle(I guess most of you have seen this at some point)
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to rotate probably a dynamo or some power source to communicate with the neighbouring station. Another famous instrument and system used in earlier days was the Neale’s Ball Token Instrument which could dispatch only one token at a given time. This was mostly used in conjunction with semaphore signalling.
I am not aware of semaphore signalling still existing between Birur and Shimoga, if yes then there is a good possibility of Neale’s ball system still exisiting there, also there may be a few sections where it is still existing mostly existing MG sections.

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Oct 24 2012 (13:31)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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I dont have any links sir, This data is collected from various sources along the years, from IRFCA and other sites, from Railway people, from fellow travellers and fellow Railfans.
Each and every single word written here is written/typed by me as i just wanted to share all i know about IR in my own words, Thanks for saving it.
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Oct 24 2012 (13:59)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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FINAL SIGNALLING NOTES:
AUTOMATIC BLOCK TERRITORY: Automatic Block territory is a very useful Block type used currently in most cities having a good rail Network. I am sceptical about its existence in Bangalore however it exists in all ways out of SC Jn. I automatic block the presence of a train in a block is detected by track circuitry or by using special track circuits and Axle counters in conjunction.
The major difference between this and absolute is that track length between two stations can be divided into multiple number of blocks irrespective
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of the presence of loops, similar to that of an intermediate block sections in absolute but in a much wider scale and with no need for a physical presence of a human to carry out the interlocking. This aids in accommodating more trains in between stations, thereby optimally utilizing tracks and saving time.
When a train passes a signal post in automatic territory the aspect automatically changes to RED(STOP ASPECT), after the train clears one block ahead the same signal turns to CAUTION, after train crosses two blocks ahead the ahead signal turns to caution and this turns to ATTENTION, after train crosses three blocks ahead, this signal turns to PROCEED while the ahead one turns to ATTENTION.
Ex: One more interesting aspect of automatic block section as noticed at James Street Station before SC Jn from Begumpet is quite a lot of times in the afternoon when traffic is high more than one trains are accommodated in the same block of them one atleast being an MMTS, similar is the case in mornings too especially YPR-SC GR arrival times. Trains are allowed to do so only in automatic block section however they are allowed to move with a speed restricted to km/hr
Railfanning Note: Railfans might find it interesting to note similar cases of the example I quoted in your nearby automatic zone. For SC members you can see this regularly as MMTS and Long distance trains share a common double line unlike MAS and CSTM.

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Oct 24 2012 (14:10)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Also please note that the data written for Absolute and Automatic Block territories is based on Multiple aspect Colour Light signalling system.
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Oct 24 2012 (14:23)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Following are the aspects written in the final signalling notes blog:
1.Stop
2.Caution
3.Attention
4.Proceed
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made this in MS Paint again, please dont mind the clarity, i hope you get the idea!

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Oct 24 2012 (14:56)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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1. Home signal is the signal before say some 300-800 mts before Branches/loops of a station begin, it has arms to indicate which direction/Loop are you being headed to or Mainline Stop or Proceed.
2. In Absolute Block section, Double yellow is at outer home(signal before home), It can either be double yellow, Yellow or green.It means the Following at outer home:
Double Yellow--> Home signal is at Yellow, arms pointing to a platform.
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Home signal at Red, Loop not alloted.
Green--> Home signal at yellow indicating mainline stop (or) Home signal at green thereby indicating Mainline starter also at Green for express trains.
Red(Quite Rare in Outer home)-->STOP
3. If your train is in a loop at a station, the signal given to start would be in yellow, this is called a Loop Starter while only in Main line the starter would be Directly green or yellow depending on ahead signal. Further after all Loops meet the mainline you can find a signal which is usually at Green, this is the Advanced Starter which marks the end of Station Limits/Section.
Hope this helps.

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Oct 24 2012 (14:58)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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I have tried depicting Automatic section in a MS paint image, i understand that not everyone may understand my subtle art :P
This is the best i could try ;)
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Oct 24 2012 (15:50)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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This is an attempt to explain Absolute block section.
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Oct 24 2012 (16:13)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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thanks Gaurav Ji.
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Oct 24 2012 (19:07)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks @all, you can use this info if you wish..It took me quite a while to type all this, i hope it has been useful..will keep adding more when i have time and i request you all to add info too for everyone's benefit.
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Oct 24 2012 (21:25)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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thanks Gopal sir again for encouraging me continuously right from the beginning! If my memory is true you were my first critic,thanks a lot :)
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Oct 24 2012 (22:09)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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NOTES ON TRAIN TYPES:
There are a few common types of locomotives operated in Indian railways, notes on a few common types of power used:
Diesel Locomotives: Almost all the diesel locomotives used in IR are Diesel-Electric ones. This type uses a diesel engine as a prime mover to run the traction alternator which produces AC/DC(conversion) to be fed to the traction motors fitted to the bogies(set of frames on which wheel assembly is mounted) which actually rotate the wheels. As the alternator is rotated by diesel power to produce electricity for the
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traction motors this type is called th Diesel Electric type.
All the ALCO's and EMD's in India are Diesel-Electric As far as iam aware of. Most of these are turbocharged hence the jet engine like sound both in ALCO’s and EMD’s.
If there are any guys with knowledge in electrical engineering or motors in general. There are a few motors with certain characteristics specific to them like series induction motors, shunt motors, compound motors etc. As far as the traction motors are concerned their stator fields are continuously changed from series-shunt-parallel to obtain different characteristics’(much of it later)
Railfanning Note: You can experience a feeling of loss of power and regain with full force in ALCO’s at around 30-50kmph while accelerating. This is because the motors in series-parallel full field are changed to series-parallel weak field and the alternator is cut off during this process. This is best experienced in a short rake specially in the forward coaches. Please do note it next time, this however cannot be felt in EMD’s.
To be continued..

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Oct 25 2012 (07:46)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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gradient start and end markers
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Oct 25 2012 (09:38)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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picture of my brother capturing a train between Kodigehalli-LOGH, W/L, Sighting board and gradient indicator are seen in this to the left..
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Oct 25 2012 (10:59)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks.Not taken by me.
photo Credit: Ovee Thorat.
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Oct 25 2012 (15:16)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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BASIC NOTES ON ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES:
Two types of power systems are used in OHE systems of Indian Railways electrified sections for operations, they are 1.5KV DC supply and 25KV AC supply, the latter being more widely used than the former and DC traction all set to be phased out soon, with WR turning totally AC now. The OHE power is useless unless we bring an electric loco to use it, so lets get to it now:
ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES: I have mentioned earlier that diesel locos we usually see are nothing but a
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huge diesel generated mounted on the bogies only to provide electricity to the relatively smaller traction motors fixed to the wheels, in that case work had to be done to rotate the alternator hence the bulky size whereas electricity is already available in Electric Locos with OHE wires above yet they are quite large too.
That is because the OHE catenary supplies only single phase AC of 25Kv, voltage needs to be regulated and Rectified to DC to be supplied to ttraction motors in many Locos, Modern three phase locos however use three phase AC(WAP-7, WAG-9 etc) which is produced after conversion of single phase OHE AC to 3 phase using a thyristor conversion system, the use and accecability of 3 phase locos have increased with the wide spread use of solid state equipment for an efficient manipulation of physical elements of dynamic electron movement.
DC Locos are similar to AC ones with a few changes, pole shoes on the Pantograph needed to be thick and strong due to the strong DC current. I hope many of you are aware of the unidirectional propagative character of DC whereas AC is bi-directional hence DC current gives a powerful jolt when passed through a human body while AC throws you away. DC is fed to the traction motors after required manipulation.
It has to be noted that an electric locomotive or any household electric equipment would not work if there is no possibility for electricity to return. In case of Electric Locomotives return current is through the wheels to the rails therefore getting grounded. This is a continuous process, if continuity ceases to exist between locomotive and ground it wouldn’t run. This is ensured by metallic conductive strips being placed in periodic intervals connecting OHE poles and the Rail, therefore current returns through the metallic OHE pole in this case.
Railfanning Note: Metallic strips can be observed at many OHE poles connecting the bottom of the pole to the rail. These long metallic strips of width say 1.5 inch are used as a medium for return current.
To be continued..

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Oct 25 2012 (15:47)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks a lot, but not to ignore my sources.
Even though iam reproducing the above(and to follow) posts out of my own interest in my own words, i have learnt about them all by reading online material from many sites like IRFCA,RVNL,WIKI etc and talking with rail employees, railfans. part credit to this blog entry belongs to them too.
My idea of writing this is, railfanning was more enjoyable for me only after i knew why a particular thing exists/happens in IR technically, so am writing a railfanning note wherever possible.
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Oct 25 2012 (15:55)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Thanks pkvenkatramani Ji, a small correction its SCRR, not SERR :D
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Oct 25 2012 (19:22)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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thanks a lot sir, your screen name reminds me of the erstwhile minar express which used to ply between SC-CSTM(then VT)..Now extinct though, thanks again!
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Oct 25 2012 (20:52)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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MULTIPLE UNIT's(PASS SERVICES ONLY):
Will get to MU operation with multiple locos only in lead, Lead-Mid, Lead-Aft later.
Multiple Unit: A form where tractive power is derived from one or more places of a rake.
There are a few passenger multiple unit trains which function as local services, a short notes on them:
DHMU-This
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is a type of diesel powered multiple unit with a hydraulic transmission to move the rake hence called Diesel Hydraulic Multiple Unit. This type however tends to be short.
Ex: DHMU's can be found around SC area serving as local trains usually of three cars with cabs at either ends but only one power car. I remember a distinct voilet colored one and a green one MUE'd to form a six car DHMU once between Manoharabad-SC right after GC when MG trains were running between NZB-Manoharabad.
DEMU-The more recent kind, traction is similar to that of a Diesel-Electric Locomotive; a diesel run alternator powering traction motors, this usually has two power cabs at either ends and rake size varies.
Ex: can be found around Bangalore,Madgaon,SC and many places in IR.
EMU- An electrical multiple unit which operates in similar fashion to that of an AC locomotive. There are however DC run EMU's in CR as Local trains.
MEMU- Mainline Electrical multiple units with enhanced Rating, modified gear ratio and longer endurance fit for Mainline operations.
Railfanning Note: If you are travelling in a power car of EMU/MEMU you can observe a distinct floor mill kinda noise starting all of a sudden, exisiting for a few moments and ending abruptly. This noise is made by the compressor which creates air to power the braking system as trans these days work on air braking unlike vaccum braking earlier.
This Noise can be observed in Diesel and Mainline Electric locomotives as well if you stand close to an idling engine. The Compressor of a WAP-7 loco is at the side of the loco clinging underneath behind the driver CAB, visible from outside. you may find it interesting to observe it next time..

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Nov 01 2012 (16:23)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Back again after some commitments with some braking action this time..
BRAKING SYSTEMS OF INDIAN RAILWAYS: I have mentioned in the first blog post of this that any railfan is concerned with the deceleration of a train as equally to that of acceleration as it is very very vital to have PROPER BRAKING SYSTEMS and personnel trained to PROPERLY and TIMELY USE BRAKING SYSTEMS. I would like to share two of IR's major braking systems as far as what i know:
AIR BRAKING SYSTEM: This is the most widely used braking system in
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india in which there are single pipe and multipipe air brake operations usually for goods and passenger rakes respectively.Braking is achieved as compressed air forced the piston to move through the brake cylinder.
The twin pipe operation has brake and feed pipes passing from the locomotive to the last coach of the formation ensuring a continuity in brake pressure, compressed air is flown from the locomotive to al these compartments through these pipes. Each compartment has a Air reservoir and brake cylinder, the brake cylinder connected to brake pistons which actually move the brake shoes. The feed pipe continuously charges the auxilary reservoirs underneath every compartment irrespective of brake application. When the driver applies brakes, the compressed air in the brake pipe is actually released to the atmosphere, upon drop in equilibrium of brake and feed pressures, a valve releases compressed air from Auxiliary reservoir underneath every compartment to the brake cylinder thereby moving the brake piston connected to the shoe. This action is maintained as the AR is continuously charged by the FP irrespective of loss of BP till the driver releases the brake. When brake is released the brake pipe is closed again thereby building its pressure from LOCO compressor, when pressure in BP is in equilibrium with that of FP the compressed air in brake cylinder is discharged to atmosphere and braking is not in force anymore.
In a single pipe operation FP is not in use, braking is directly proportional to the air charge present in the AR under every wagon, braking is stopped once BP regains pressure, the AR is again continuously charged from BP once continuity is in place.
Railfanning Note: When chain is pulled, the BP valve under that particular compartment is released thereby releasing the continuity of the braking system forcing the brake cylinders to apply brakes. This is more or less like a failure of a bulb in a series electrical connection where others cannot glow anymore.Kindly note that till crew come and close the valve under the compartment, continuity is not regained.This however can be overcome in VACCUM BRAKING.

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Nov 01 2012 (16:47)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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VACCUM BRAKING AS A CONTINUATION:Vaccum braking is now almost extinct in BG, as far as i know VB does not exist in BG currently, however a recently spotted board after Bangalore Cantt towards Bangalore city shows two different speed restrictions for AB and VB respectively, therefore i was skeptical on VB existence in BG..
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The ejector in a loco plays a vital role in vaccum braking of a train, there is a single train pipe in the total formation in which vaccum is maintained, upon use of the ejector vaccum
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is maintained all over the formation. When brakes are applied the atmosphere air is admitted into the pipe therefore creating a layer of vaccum above the piston and air below. This pressure differential forces the brake piston to move and deaccelerate the train however this type of braking has far too many disadvantages therefore is less preffered over AB.
Railfanning Note: In air braking system green color over the pipe indicates the BRAKe PIPE while white indicates the FEED PIPE.

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Nov 01 2012 (16:54)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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@Admins, kindly add my notes on braking systems to existing notes on braking in FAQ's if deem fit..
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Nov 01 2012 (21:07)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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I hope this has been useful, had to put in a lot of effort recollecting and typing it all, please feel free to save/share it.Its railfanning I/We want to promote afterall..
Thanks for the encouragement also which has been motivating me to write more..Sincere thanks to Moderator sir and all railfans here, specially to Tejas sir, PKV sir,Gopal sir,Soumitra sir,shashank sir and Nazeer sir..MORE TO COME..
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Apr 15 2013 (17:05)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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INDIAN RAILWAYS-RAIL DIBBA’s-CARRIAGES and WAGONS(C&W)
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There is absolutely no doubt in saying that ICF coaches have been the backbone to the back bone of India-The Indian Railways. They have effortlessly (not in all cases) hauled tens of billions of people relentlessly every year. To know further about ICF,LHB or even locos for that matter we need to be clear on what a few terms mean, where are those parts located and what is their use. I am sure most of us here in IRI must be familiar about them but my idea
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is to share knowledge to people who don’t know about them yet. So here we go with what I think would be a detailed understanding (might go kaput too, Technical writing in freestyle is not easy):
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We daily see a lot of trains zipping past at full speed, be it directly or through videos of Harris Kiran or the vast multitude of highly passionate and talented people here. Anyway, the point is when the train is moving fast, like really fast is there any stress? If there is stress where is it concentrated? And why stress needs to be relieved?
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Well, technically speaking there are lot of shocks and stress acting on the train while it is moving (varies with speed, curves, gradients, Tractive effort, deceleration and other small factors), this stress is exerted on it from all three axes-vertical, longitudinal and lateral. Our idea is to successfully relieve all stresses on the coach to the rail while it is continuously in contact while in motion. But merely being in contact with the rail doesn’t mean the stresses would be relieved through the wheels to the rail. Hence the arrangement of the wheels, axles, buffers, Bolsters, Primary and secondary suspensions, Bearing arrangement and a strong frame. If the stress is not relieved or not equally distributed there are two major results.
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1. Ride Index would go Higher
2. Axles may go Hot, frame may give away, more frequent IOH/POH intervals-Basically safety concern.
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TO BE CONTINUED…

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Apr 15 2013 (17:16)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Oh btw, Ride index is a variable which details the comfort a human would experience while in motion. In technical terms it can be described as the function of amplitude of acceleration and frequency of oscillation. Ride index is measured on a scale of 5, 0 being the smoothest and most comfortable ride while 5 is the most horrible one. Quite a complex one at that, i tried putting some random variables and solving it but didnt really work out. Indian Railway Employees dont get paid for nothing after all.They are good at this stuff :)
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the coach UnderGear arrangement should be such that all accumulated stress has to be distributed / shared. Coming to the Basic part, two wheels are connected with a rod which is the axle, so an axle has two wheels to it one at each end. Each axle has an axle joint and the primary suspension(springs at axles) is based on it which absorbs a part of the vertical shocks.
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A pair of axles(4 wheels) are grouped by a frame mounted over it, this frame with two axles is together called a BOGIE. There are two such bogies under a coach which are grouped by the base of the coach, fitting exactly in the required places. The secondary suspension is also on the bogies, which again help dampen the vertical oscillations. Longitudinal shocks are absorbed by the Buffers at coach ends and the stress is transferred to the coach and finally to the rails through wheels.
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So Primary and secondary suspensions take care of the Vertical Shocks while Coach end buffers absorb the longitudinal shocks and transfer them to the rail through frame..
There is however one more aspect, the lateral stress or the side-side oscillatory motion which we feel in ICF coaches which is the twist of the story, ICF coaches are not really great dampers of the Yaw Forces(side-side) which makes the RIDE INDEX of ICF coaches reaches upto 3.5
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TO BE CONTINUED..

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Apr 15 2013 (19:05)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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RIDE INDEX for various coaches of INDIAN RAILWAYS
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3.5(Upper limit)--> for ICF coaches, including BEML and CBC
2.75(upper limit)--> for LHB coaches
4.2(Upper limit)--> For Goods and wagons
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RIDE INDEX INTERPRETATION
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1.0--> Very Good
2.0--> Good
3.0--> Satisfactory
4.0--> Tolerable
5.0--> Dangerous
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In this order, LHB coaches offer the best comfort for a passenger followed by ICF coaches while Goods and wagons are not really designed for comfort and dont have much of Vertical and lateral vibration dampers.
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To be continued..

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Apr 23 2013 (11:08)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Now coming on to LHB, let’s begin with what on earth is a fiat bogie anyway?
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A Fiat Bogie consists of a Y frame which is manufactured from cast parts, unlike ICF bogies Fiat ones have two side frames attached with the aid of two cross beams over it. As ICF has, the fiat bogies also have both primary and secondary suspensions, springs are put to use for the primary suspension on which the frame is mounted.
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Primary suspension in Fiat Bogies has a great role in improving the ride index for LHB, it consists of coil spring suspensions and vertical dampers for each bogie (2 axle set) which greatly increase stability. The advantage of an LHB rake is that these can handle not only the vertical and longitudinal shocks but also the lateral shocks (The YAW Aspect) for a comfy ride. This is accomplished with the secondary suspension unit which consists of vertical, lateral and Yaw dampers and the infamous Anti-Roll bar which resists the rolling motion of a coach.
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The frame is now fitted over the bogies on which the beautiful LHB coach is mounted, the coach in itself doesn’t have far too great differences from that of an ICF but exhibits a better ride index and safety limit owing to its FIAT bogies and dampers. One interesting thing to note is the absence of Self electricity Generating system under the frame, this is to basically reduce the overall weight of the coach to increase performance and to avoid battery maintenance and efficiency related issues on the longer run.
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The idea of any coach ICF or LHB is to basically transfer all the forces experienced during travelling to the rail, this is done from the body to the frame which transfer it to the primary or secondary suspensions, then to the axles which transfer the loads finally to the rails. No coach can last more than a month if the stress and load transfer mechanism is not perfect. Due to diversity in the Primary and secondary suspensions LHB rakes have a significant advantage of travelling at a better speed as the dampers compensate for the oscillations while an ICF cannot. Also another advantage of an LHB over ICF is the oiling trouble, while an ICF keeps on leaking a lot of oil and bearings get damaged real soon, LHB’s have implemented new technologies like using Cartridge taper roller bearings which have overhaul period of 1.2 Million km. While an ICF coach has to come back to the IOH/POH shed at quicker intervals for overhaul and LHB can be on the line for a longer time.
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One more significant difference between LHB and ICF is the braking methods which I would get to in the next post, thanks for reading.
TO BE CONTINUED..

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Apr 23 2013 (11:13)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Yes sir, Thanks for summarizing it briefly...
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Dec 07 2013 (21:33)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Sure sir, weekend ahead, so will type and post it on weekdays :)
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Dec 07 2013 (19:55)  
 
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braking of train compared to other vehicles
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Dec 07 2013 (20:44)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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What you say is kinda funny,mass and momentum matters..an aircraft,say boeing 737 needs about 2km to land and deaccelerate but that doesnt mean we would stop that to fly anymore coz it doesnt stop early right?
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Dec 07 2013 (21:13)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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Trespassing does happen by animals and other aircraft whose crew misinterpret ATC instructions and happens often but goes unreported if its minor.
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My point is, risks exist but its
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the people and vehicles who need to stop trespassing railway property and IR has every right to run trains at speed in their own P.Way, not the other way round.

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Dec 07 2013 (21:27)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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I dont expect any behaviour from any animal in the first place, you mentioned that trains need to be run at a speed to suit stopping at 500 mts or less, i replied its not quite practical owing to mass and momentum with a comparision, you contraried the comparision for which i gave references, thats it.
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As far as your question about animals is concerned, people again have a great role to play with managing their cattle and other livestock, elephant zones are affected i agree and trains need to slow down
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there as elephants are national heritage and not private property. Ultimately it all boils down to one simple idea, do we want railways in our country to grow in terms of speed,punctuality,infra and other aspects or not. If yes, then being aware and staying away(people and livestock) from what is well publicized as unauthorized is the best way.If no, then we can debate on reducing speeds of trains to 30 so that they avoid hitting anything ahead of them,man or animal.

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Dec 04 2013 (23:52)   SC/Secunderabad Junction (10 PFs)
 
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SCR should seriously start thinking of a 3rd line between KZJ and SC ..looking at the traffic and the peak time delays it is very much required ...if this happens then 140 km stretch can be covered very easily in around 1 hour 35 to 40 mins ...
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Dec 06 2013 (08:52)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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SC-BG yes definitely required, however SC-SKP might not need it at the mment as traffic is way too less compared to SC-BG-KZJ line. Also if SC-UR is made into a 3 line stretch it would prove to be really costly as the P.Way passes through old city after Malakpet and the surroundings are densely populated.
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Dec 06 2013 (11:01)
dhooma shakata vahanam   289 blog posts
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In regard to MMTS yes i agree, probably post completion of MMTS phase-II and revival of LPI- Ramachandrapuram(patancheru) track, third line would be up in action since land is also available..
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Dec 06 2013 (08:01)  
 
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Hi there... Just watched a video in which the driver of the express train puts on the brake to make the train still in a very short span of time. Before putting on the brake, the train was moving close to 100 km/hr. Just googled the braking system being used in Indian Railways and found that two braking systems are being used viz. Air Brakes and vacuum brakes. just not able to distinguished one another. So if any member of IRI have any knowledge of Braking system, kindly let the other RailFans who do not know, come to know the magic of stopping a fast moving train in a few seconds.. Thanks..
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Dec 06 2013 (08:57)
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