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09052/Bhusaval - Dadar Western Special Fare Special
भुसावल - दादर वेस्टर्न स्पेशल किराया स्पेशल

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First Departure: Wed Jan 11, 2023fromBSL/Bhusaval Junction
Last Arrival: Thu Jan 02, 2025atDDR/Dadar Western
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Dec 30 2009 (17:25)   09051/Dadar Western - Bhusaval Special Fare Special
 
Kapadia
Kapadia    2837 blog posts
Entry# 17254            Tags  
The today's 30th Dec 2009 >> position of departed / departing spl shatabdis suggest following :-
0985 dn Bandra -Surat Shatabdi spl - departed 10.30 am with availability of AC CC - 678 seats and AC 1st Class -34 seats.
0987 dn Vasai Rd -Surat Shatabdi spl - departing 18.35 hrs on 30.12.2009 with availability of AC CC - 603 seats and AC 1st Class -33 seats.
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up Surat-Vasai Rd Shatabdi spl - departed 15.00 hrs on 30.12.2009 with availability of AC CC - 558 seats and AC 1st Class -33 seats.
These spl shatabdis as expected are almost running empty. WR officials are requested to look into this matter of high fare structure and remedy it instead of just putting a curtain of closure on such trains. The train may be converted into Jan Shatabdi type for its heavy success.
The alternative is to cut down the fare to just around Rs. 250/- (just to match it with Mum-Ahd duronto) and the To & Fro trip total collection towards fare would be Rs. 490/-. The total distance for duronto is 491 kms ) and for To-Fro trip for Bandra-Surat-Bandra would be 504 kms.
Fare from Vasai Rd - Surat - Vasai Road covering to & Fro distance is 430 kms (215 kms in each direction) and fare to become fare and reasonable should be around Rs. 225/-.
It is always better to have high occupancy level instead of running the trains empty and incur loss. Low fare would find flavour of the commuting public and will lead to successful regular train services after the experimetnal period is over.

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Dec 29 2009 (17:53)   09051/Dadar Western - Bhusaval Special Fare Special
 
Kapadia
Kapadia    2837 blog posts
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The fares for these shatabdi type trains to Surat from Bandra / Vasai Rd are very very high. There is distortion in fare structure within these train also.
The fare from Vasai Rd to Surat is 370/- as against fare of Rs. 410/- from Virar to Surat in this spl train starting from Bandra.
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Surat (in Bandra-Surat Shatabdi) >> Rs. 410/-
Virar to Surat (in Vasai Rd -Surat Shatabdi) >> Rs. 365/-
Vasai Rd to Surat (in Vasai Rd - Surat Shatabdi) >> Rs. 370/-
Who will spend such exhorbitant amount ? Are there any food / snakcs facilities provided in the train like in Shatabdi .
From all counts, the fare structure would go against the favorable response of the train and in this one month experimetal period only the Rly would incur revenue loss for low occupancy and would eventually be closed after one month period and seems that they will not be regularised at all.
These short distance trains would be converted into Jan Shatabdis so more passengers can take lower fare benefit for the purpose of travel.
WR ought to have fixed fares at least in comparison to Shatabdi train fare structure and also exclude cost of all services which are provided in Shatabdis and would not be provided to that extent in these trains.
Only emergency passengers would take this train and not the public at large.

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Dec 30 2009 (11:30)
Manish   9236 blog posts
Re# 17145-6              
I think this fare difference may be due to the fact that in Bandra-Surat Shatabdi, they may be serving both snacks and lunch while in Vasai-Surat Shatabdi only dinner may be served. This is only an assumption, not sure of it.
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Dec 30 2009 (11:50)
Jitesh Chhabra   4931 blog posts
Re# 17145-7              
Yes this is the right answer. The fare difference is due to the food served during the journey. Dont make it a issue.
you can check this for 2005 NDLS KLK Shatabdi Exp (Fare is 450 for CC)
but for 2006 KLK NDLS Shatabdi Exp ( Fare is 465 for CC )
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KLK NDLS Shatabdi Exp ( Fare is 535 for CC)
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Dec 30 2009 (11:54)
Jitesh Chhabra   4931 blog posts
Re# 17145-8              
Yes this is the right answer. The fare difference is due to the food served during the journey. Dont make it a issue.
you can check this for 2005 NDLS KLK Shatabdi Exp (Fare is 450 for CC)
but for 2006 KLK NDLS Shatabdi Exp ( Fare is 465 for CC )
also check for
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KLK NDLS Shatabdi Exp ( Fare is 535 for CC)
2011 NDLS KLK Shatabdi Exp ( Fare is 465 for CC)
Here you can see the diff while the trains are running on same route, earlier Me, Mr Hetul & Mr Murli Discussed on this issue. Actually Mr Hetul Booked a ticket for one passenger for 2005 & 2006 and he noticed the difference. He asked me and I asked the answer Mr Murli then we decided to mail the matter to IRCTC and we get the answer mail from irctc that this difference is due to the food cost served in trains. In night train you will get the dinner also and it costs higher.
I think now the whole picture is clear to every one.
further discussion welcome on the issue.
Regards :)

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Dec 30 2009 (12:19)
Kapadia    2837 blog posts
Re# 17145-9              

May be the food / lunch / dinner could be the only reason.
But look at this anomaly :-
Surat – Bandra shatabdi spl 252 kms 6.00 d 9.40 a 3.40 hrs journey @ 71 kmph Fare Rs. 465/- (timing wise no lunch / dinner )
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– Surat shatabdi spl 252 kms 10.30 d 14.05 a 3.35 hrs journey @ 71 kmph Fare 465/- (assuming with Snacks & dinner)
Surat – Vasai Rd 215 kms shatabdi spl 15.00 d 18.00 a 3 hrs @ 73 kmph Fare 370/- (timing wise no lunch / dinner)
Vasai Rd – Surat 215 kms shatabdi spl 18.35 d 21.15 a 2.40 hrs @ 82 kmph Fare 370/- (assuming with snacks & dinner)
Borivali – Surat in Ahd shatabdi 6.59 d 9.40 a 2.41 min @ 87 kmph Rs. 405/- (only snacks - no lunch)
Surat-Borivali in Ahd Shatabdi 18.00 d 20.52 a 2.52 min @ 82/- kms Rs. 435/- (only dinner)
To and from timings are different, however fare remains same here for these trains.
The issue is not being made out but the facts are being blogged and debated. The fare set up information ought to be made at suitable places by the WR. Else, the people just wonder.

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Dec 30 2009 (12:40)
Jitesh Chhabra   4931 blog posts
Re# 17145-10              
As per my analysis in Surat – Bandra shatabdi spl 252 kms 6.00 d 9.40 a 3.40 hrs journey @ 71 kmph Fare Rs. 465/- snacks will be served
in Bandra – Surat shatabdi spl 252 kms 10.30 d 14.05 a 3.35 hrs journey @ 71 kmph Fare 465/- snacks and lunch will be served
in Surat – Vasai Rd 215 kms shatabdi spl 15.00 d 18.00 a 3 hrs @ 73 kmph Fare 370/- (not sure but I think lunch will be served)
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Vasai Rd – Surat 215 kms shatabdi spl 18.35 d 21.15 a 2.40 hrs @ 82 kmph Fare 370/- snack and dinner will be served
in Borivali – Surat in Ahd shatabdi 6.59 d 9.40 a 2.41 min @ 87 kmph Rs. 405/- only snacks will be served
One more thing food cost is decided by IRCTC not Indian Railway. So what is the calculation behind it I dont know.
But I gave you the answer based on reply given by IRCTC that difference in fare is due to cost of food served in particular train.

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Dec 30 2009 (12:35)   09051/Dadar Western - Bhusaval Special Fare Special
 
Kapadia
Kapadia    2837 blog posts
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What is the occupancy level on the first day 29th December 2009 of starting of these special Shatabdis ? The booking chart suggest a very high number of CC seat availability when you browse through these train time table and reservation status windows on this website. The WR seems to be going ahead with a heavy revenue loss in this one month experimetnal period of such spl Shatabdis. The available information suggest that old coaches of Mum-Ahd Shatabdis are being used which are not comfortable as the currently run Mum-Ahd shatabdi coaches are upgraded ones with more leg space, comfortability etc.
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Dec 29 2009 (18:49)   09051/Dadar Western - Bhusaval Special Fare Special
 
Kapadia
Kapadia    2837 blog posts
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Bandra - Surat fare barometre ;-
Surat – Bandra shatabdi 252 kms 6.00 d 9.40 a 3.40 hrs @ 71 kmph Fare Rs. 465/-
Bandra – Surat shatabdi 252 kms 10.30 d 14.05 a 3.35 hrs @ 71 kmph Fare 465/-
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– Vasai Rd 215 kms shatabdi 15.00 d 18.00 a 3 hrs @ 73 kmph Fare 370/-
Vasai Rd – Surat 215 kms shatabdi 18.35 d 21.15 a 2.40 hrs @ 82 kmph Fare 370/-
Borivali –Surat 233 kms flying 18.40 d 22.35 a 3.55 min @ 65 kmph Rs. 297/-
Surat – Borivali flying 5.25 d 9.09 a 3.44 min @ 68 kmph Rs. 297/-
Borivali – Surat in Ahd shatabdi 6.59 d 9.40 a 2.41 min @ 87 kmph Rs. 405/-
Surat-Borivali in Ahd Shatabdi 18.00 d 20.52 a 2.52 min @ 82/- kms Rs. 435/-
Surat – Borivali intercity 15.50 d 19.34 a 3.44 min @ 63/- kmph Rs. 297/-
Borivali – Surat intercity 7.25 d 11.20 a 3.55 min @ 60/- kmph Rs. 297/-

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Dec 28 2009 (13:00)   09051/Dadar Western - Bhusaval Special Fare Special
 
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Entry# 17014            Tags  
What is the fare between Bandra- Surat ?
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additional charges are there for special trains..but this is too much..if u compare it to the regular shatabdi. all i am waiting to see is the response that this train will get from the public?
Will WR provide shatabdi like food services on this train?
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Re# 17014-7              
The fares for these shatabdi type trains to Surat from Bandra / Vasai Rd are very very high. There is distortion in fare structure within these train also.
The fare from Vasai Rd to Surat is 370/- as against fare of Rs. 410/- from Virar to Surat in this spl train starting from Bandra.
Look at this also :-
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to Surat (in Bandra-Surat Shatabdi) >> Rs. 410/-
Virar to Surat (in Vasai Rd -Surat Shatabdi) >> Rs. 365/-
Vasai Rd to Surat (in Vasai Rd - Surat Shatabdi) >> Rs. 370/-
Who will spend such exhorbitant amount ? Are there any food / snakcs facilities provided in the train like in Shatabdi .
From all counts, the fare structure would go against the favorable response of the train and in this one month experimetal period only the Rly would incur revenue loss for low occupancy and would eventually be closed after one month period and seems that they will not be regularised at all.
These short distance trains would be converted into Jan Shatabdis so more passengers can take lower fare benefit for the purpose of travel.
WR ought to have fixed fares at least in comparison to Shatabdi train fare structure and also exclude cost of all services which are provided in Shatabdis and would not be provided to that extent in these trains.
Only emergency passengers would take this train and not the public at large.

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Dec 29 2009 (12:38)
Manish   9236 blog posts
Re# 17014-8              
Completely agree with you. this train will not get much favour with the public. A better idea would be to introduce a Jan-Shatabdi within these cities with one trip to/from Vadodara in the evening.
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The fare structure of this train is made out to be uncomparable at all.
The duronto Mum-Ahd 491 kms - AC sleeper for 6.45 min journey charge is only Rs. 540/- (3AC) and Rs. 490/- for 3AC-Economy.
How come the fare is Rs. 465/- for 252 kms only - just for a chair car seat for 3.30 min journey.
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public announcement made by the WR seems to suggest different scenerio. It suggests that fare are lower than Rajdhani / Shatabdi and they are in line of other super fast trains. Where is it ?
There seems to have taken place gross blunder in fixing fares.
The WR officials seem to have skipped the basics of rly fare system and just fixed the ad-hoc / lump sum fare for these two trains. The fares are completely the fancy and imaginations of the WR officials. Why can't Surat Rly Station Master take up the matter with higher officials at Mumbai HQ ? There is going to be infant death of this type much needed service just because of high commercial angle in setting up the fares.
All Surat, Vasai Road, Bandra Station Masters should submit representation to the WR Churchgate HQ office and this basic anomaly in fares should be immediately corrected. It seems that IR officials / Rly Ministry are not aware of this anomaly. The passengers should submit the signature sheets to the respecive station masters with a request to forward the same to the WR HQ / IR Delhi Ministry.
Requesting WR officials for the logic / reasons in fixing high fares for these trains - to be quickly informed via this forum.

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Dec 29 2009 (13:34)
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Bhai log ismain tea-snacks ka paisa include hai iske liye iska fare zyada hain
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