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Blog Entry# 16843
Posted: Dec 25 2009 (21:17)

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How WL tickets are confirmed: Just for information of all, the following are various ways of how WL tickets get confirmed: (1) Cancellation of passengers before you. (2) Addition of extra coach (done at charting). (3) Berths falling vacant in higher quota and there by upgradation of some passengers (done at charting). (4) Release of some quotas like EQ, HO, DF (done at charting). (5) Berths remaining vacant in Tatkal (done at charting). (6) Your ticket is booked under a particular station quota. However if any other station quota is vacant, the WL passengers from this quota are accommodated in the other station quota (done at charting). For example, in Udyan Exp, Pune to Solapur passengers are booked in Pune-Bangalore quota. But when the charting for Mumbai quota is done, the vacant berths of Mumbai-Solapur quota are allotted to Pune-Solapur WL passengers. (7) Using the same berth for different passengers in...
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different segments (done at charting). For example, in 2627 Karnataka Exp, Bhopal to New Delhi passengers are booked under Bhusawal quota. But when the Bangalore - New Delhi quota charting is done, there are many passengers who are booked till Bhusawal / Itarsi / Bhopal. The vacant sections of these berths till New Delhi are then used to allot berths to WL passengers from these stations till any other station while the charting for Bangalore quota is done. There is no limit to the number of legs a berth can be broken, and I have observed that 1 berth in the same quota, is alloted to even 4 passengers on different legs of the quota. (8) If your WL ticket is from Pooled Quota (PQ), it can get confirmed if berths in general quota are vacant for that stretch of journey (done at charting). (9) In a very rare situation, when a train is cancelled and a new train in introduced in lieu of it and if the new train has more accommodation, then the WL passengers can get confirmed (done during migration of passengers from old train to new train).
Additionally, the following are the ways how RAC gets confirmed: (10) If the RAC quota itself does not get filled up completely (done at charting). (11) Passengers not turning up in train (done in train by the TTE while the train is running). (12) Berths falling vacant enroute and not allotted by the system to other passengers for the remaining leg of the quota. The ticket gets confirmed from that station onwards in the train by the TTE.
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Jan 01 2010 (11:32)
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Shri R Murli Dhar and Shri MST,
I wish to differ with both of you.
Stating "Charts are prepared generally 4 hours in advance....." and "The guideline is that charts are prepared 4 hrs before the departure of train...." is inaccurate.
In fact in no case, the chrting can be done '4 hours in advance' or '4 hrs before the departure". It is done...
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within the last 4 Hrs only. Up to 4 hrs. before the departure, reservations (not only cancellations) are permitted and only after stopping the reservations, charting can be taken in hands.
As I am not able to provide a link correctly, I regret and at the cost of repetition, I reproduce a portion of my post of Dec. 30th:
"…For the trains leaving from 12:01 (noon) to 23:59, not befroe 4 Hrs. of Scheduled Departure of the train (from where charting of that reservation quota is done) but within last 4 Hrs., it can be prepared at any time. I have seen it exactly 4 Hrs. before as well as just before 50 minutes also.
For the trains leaving from 24:00 (midnight) to 12:00 (noon) (from where charting of that reservation quota is done), it can be prepared at any time after 20:00 hrs. last. I have seen it exactly at 20:01 Hrs. to 21:00 Hrs.
If the departure is exceptionally delayed and is notified, the term 'Scheduled Departure' would be replaced with 'Rescheduled Departure'."
Thanks to both of you, Sirs!
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Jan 01 2010 (13:08)
MST IndianRailways   1327 blog posts
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I call it as guideline, cause its a guideline and not a mandate. It can be prepared anytime later till the departure of the train. Sometimes trains have left without chart being prepared, and the TTEs have collected charts after a few stations.
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However I have observed instances when charting is done unnecessarily in advance. For example, 6340 leaves are around 7 AM from Nagercoil, however, I have seen its charting done many a times at 7 PM previous night itself, even when the passengers could have had the opportunity to do...
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bookings till 8 PM. After learning a lesson a couple of time, next time omwards, I made sure that I complete the booking for next day by 7 PM latest.
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Jan 01 2010 (14:15)
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Sir,
Thanks for your observations. It is quite wrong if charting is done at 19:00 Hrs. for a train to depart at 07:00 Hrs. on the next day.
I quote a portion of the ruleswith site reference:
"...nr.indianrail.gov.in/scripts/static/ReservationRules.aspx
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RESERVATION WORK CEASES
The requests for reservation at the reservation counters are accepted up to 4 hours before the scheduled departure of the train, after which, the reservation will be done at the current counters at the stations up to one hour before the scheduled departure of the train and thereafter by the Ticket Collector/Conductor on the platform, if vacant berths/seats are available."
It is difficult to understand that when booking is permitted up to 4 Hrs. before, reservation is closed early stealinn one hour of reservation period.
Thanks
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Jan 01 2010 (23:13)
MST IndianRailways   1327 blog posts
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I want to see a day, when vacant berths after charting, are alloted by the TTE using a hand held device (like Blackberry), connected to the reservation terminal. This way, at any station, you can approach any TTE of the train. He will feed the class, journey starting station, journey ending station, and the device will give him a list of berths, all over the train, that can be alloted. Then he can mark the required berths are alloted between those 2 stations. The device will also give a print out as a reservation slip, and will display the total fare to be paid. The same device can be used for accounting purpose after the end of the journey.
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information should be available even over internet site (irctc), so that sitting at home, I can decide which train shall I give a try. Currently the vacant berths after charting are displayed for some 12 trains, but this is only after preperation of chart, and not runtime status.
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The general assumption is that WL means no place available. But the vacancy depends on journey starting to ending station. For example, if I want to board 2627 Karnataka exp at Bhopal, I dont mind even if WL number has reached 500. All I should find out is how many ppl coming from Bangalore or Gulbarga or Solapur are vacating their berths at Bhopal and are not booked again for the next leg.
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The railways website should also display the reservation charts (without passenger names), for last 1 year for all trains, all quotas, all classes. This will enable ppl to do some analysis.
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ya i usually do till bhadrak and i get confirmed ticket
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