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Blog Entry# 3826253
Posted: Sep 21 2018 (08:03)

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Last Response: Sep 22 2018 (07:30)
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Sep 21 2018 (08:03)   12610/Mysuru - MGR Chennai Central SF Express | SBC/KSR Bengaluru City Junction (Bangalore) (10 PFs) | RPM/WAP-7/30444
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Entry# 3826253            Tags   Past Edits
GOC WDP4D with the Karaikkal Passenger & RPM WAP7 with the Intercity Express bound for Chennai, await their starters on pf1 & pf2 of KSR Bengaluru respectively
15.09.2018
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Hey you dont speak without understanding the point im mentioning a 4500 hp loco is a waste for this small train an alco is better alcos are very good in acceleration for 14 coach train. So you be careful before commenting anything without understanding the actual point. I think you still need to understand the sentences more powerful loco for a small train is not required doesnt mean that train is useless. There is no change in timings and speed of this train after emd was given so whats the use of giving a powerful loco. This loco can be used for some other express trains which are still running with alcos. So better understand the point and comment it will be better
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But there is not change in timings or speed after emd is given so whats the use ok if this train is having more than 20 coaches then emd is required for 14 coaches alco is more than enough. First of all kjm is giving away some of its emds to other sheds to accommodate electric locos. Erode diesel shed also have less number of wdp4d if there are surplus locos they can provide emds to each and every diesel haulud train.
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Allotment of ALCo or EMD is not done only for purpose of increase in Speed. This logic is totally flawed! If yesterday Karwar ICE got Alco n next week it gets EMD, what will you expect? Should it be before time at all stations? Please understand that allocation of loco depends on various factors, things that are far more important than being called 'Useless' or 'Useful'! So if you have any better logic to substantiate your claims, continue, else kindly refrain from commenting!
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Few things to note here.
1) Loco link is not decided based on HP of the loco.For most of the trains for IR (other than those which have very aggressive schedules or high speed runs), the loco link is mainly decided based on loco availability and utilization. Locomotives 'cannot' be kept idle. They have to be utilized to the maximum possible extent.
For example, the Bangalore-Bangarpet express used to run with a WAP7 all the time. This was a short distance, slow train with a short rake, and yet
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it got a WAP7. This was because, the WAP7 leading the train arrived in the evening at SBC and would have to remain idle till the next morning. So instead of keeping it idle, they use it for another train service. Diesel or electricity is not the only thing the railways has to pay for. Even if a loco is kept idle, they are indirectly losing revenue.
2) This is a more important factor. There is something called an optimal 'HP/ton ratio'. Freight trains in the USA typically maintain 2HP/ton. That means, for a freight rake weighing 1000 tons, the locomotive(s) leading should have at least 2000HP. This ensures the best balance of running time, energy costs etc.
For a passenger service, the HP/ton has to be much higher as passenger trains need to run fast and stick to a schedule. That way, for a 16 coach passenger, which weighs about 800 tons, a WDP4D loco will give about 5.5HP/ton, which is a very good ratio for a passenger train (much better than that of an ALCO, which will only be 4HP/ton).
Yes, an ALCO may be 'enough' for this load, but it is not the best possible loco for this load.

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